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Welcome to this episode of up an octave. I am so excited to share this episode with you. It is the first episode in my pass the mic series. Where I interview another podcaster about their experiences in the industry, what inspired them to get started, what challenges they've overcome along the way, and their biggest takeaways that they want to share with you.
Today I'm interviewing Irvi Shaw of Soul Diaries, Discover Your Inner Serenity, and we talk all about fearlessness and getting brave and not being afraid of negative feedback. She was a delight to speak with, and I hope you'll go and check out her show after this. Thanks. It's, again, called Soul Diaries, Discover Your Inner Serenity, and it's available wherever you're listening to this show.
All right, welcome to Up an Octave, Irby. We're trying this now for like the third time. We've been having some technical difficulties, as is the podcasting way. Welcome to the show. Thank you so much, and thank you for having me. Oh, it's my pleasure. So we have talked a little bit, but now we actually get to talk on the podcast.
So you are a certified spiritual life coach in addition to being a podcaster. Can you tell me a little bit about what that means for you? Yeah, absolutely. So, um, I started my life coaching about three years ago. So right when COVID started, um, I, that's when I got certified and I started my business. And then a little bit after that, I started podcasting.
So to be a spiritual life coach, It's really about being in the present moment and, you know, I help my clients with kind of balancing out their emotions, their thoughts, and kind of teaching them like how to live their life from, from their soul. So being soul led instead of, um, being led by like your thoughts or your emotions or, you know, other beliefs that you might have, um, and then kind of showing them how to create space between.
You know who they are, which is their soul space versus like everything else that's happening around them. I love that. And that makes so much sense, especially through the context of where we all were in that time that, uh, making the pivot, especially during the pandemic when things felt a lot more difficult.
That's super necessary. So you started your podcast about six months after you started coaching. Is that correct? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So what made you take that leap? Were you already a podcast listener or was this brand new to you? So yeah, I used to listen to podcasts before and actually even before I became a coach, I always wanted to have my own podcast because I wanted a platform to share my story.
Um, so about in like 2018 or 2017, something like that, I had my own blog. It was just a blog page and I used to like put stories on there about myself and like what I knew, uh, what I was learning, like life lessons and like things about like fear and like how to be like, you know, how to lead life from a place of love or like what self love means and like all these different things.
And so I knew that like, you know, writing, I love writing, but I knew that I wanted to also speak these things, but I was always afraid to start my own podcast. I kind of felt like. You know, to be a podcaster, you have to like have a following or like people like you have to be like some sort of like famous or something, right?
Like, that's the only way people are going to listen to your show. And like, it just seemed also very, like, I felt like it was very challenging to start a podcast. Like, I didn't even know what that meant. Like, if it meant like I had to, you know, Have certain technologies or if I had to have certain sponsorships before I could start one or like, you know, an editing team, like all these sorts of things.
Right? So that kind of stopped me from even looking into what it meant to start a podcast. And I think when I started my podcast, I started off on. Anchor. fm, which is like great platform. It's like super easy. You just record and, and then they like post your podcast on all the major platforms like Apple, Spotify, Google.
When I realized how easy that was, I was like, Oh, like I could have done this like years ago. And so that gave me more confidence to like, keep going and keep sharing my story and like, keep sharing my own like life lessons with other people. I love that. And also RIP to Anchor. It's now rolled into Spotify for podcasters.
Those are the good old days though. So that makes me have so many more questions. Um, but first off, what was the biggest difference for you in making the, the jump from blogging to podcasting aside from, of course, it being spoken as opposed to written form. How do you think that like being a blogger prepared you to be a podcaster, but then also like, how do you feel like maybe it didn't leave you prepared because you were so used to one format over the other?
Yeah, so I think the, the good thing is like, even with blogging, like I used to always take notes down or like have an outline of some sort, even if it was really rough, so I knew what I was going to put in my blog very often, like very, not very often, meaning. Did I blog where it was like just free writing and that usually came from a place of like, I really need to get this out.
And so I would just write something and post it, but like, I would always read it afterwards to edit it. Right. So similarly with my podcast episodes, I always had like some sort of notes that I would speak from, go back and edit it and all that kind of stuff. But the main difference, I think for me is like, when you're writing, it's like, you're just kind of writing and like, Whatever, the thoughts are flowing through your brain and it's coming out while you're typing, right?
But when you're actually speaking it and like you're hearing yourself speak, um, you become a little bit more self conscious. And so I think the first episode, the first few episodes I recorded, I had a little bit of, Like I was a little bit more nervous, I would say, and I like more cautious of like, Oh, like I'm using too many filler words or am I saying um too much?
Like I was very self conscious of like the way I was speaking and I would just like keep re recording myself and I would get to a point of like frustration of like, this isn't working and I would like give up and then come back to it. And then like I slowly started to just be like, you know what? I'm just going to speak into the podcast and it doesn't have to be perfect.
And I got more comfortable with like hearing myself speak. No, a hundred percent. And I feel like that self consciousness is maybe the biggest enemy in podcasting. I don't know if that's a super hot take, but I feel like just getting so in your head, especially on those solo episodes where it's just like you, a microphone in the wall behind you.
And you're just like, I sound bad. I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm going on a tangent. I hate how I sound in these headphones. Like, I feel like sometimes that is so much harder than when you. are talking to somebody else, or like, you know, what you're saying with blogging, when you can just kind of pause.
Because I think we have a tendency to just talk through our discomfort and, and kind of keep that conversation going. Whereas when we're writing, you can kind of stop and twirl in your chair and think. But I feel like when we're podcasting, we feel like we have to just fill that awkward space. Mm hmm.
Yeah. And I think the other thing with writing, it's like, you can go back and like delete a whole paragraph and like start over again. Not that you can't do that with podcasting in the sense of like going back to the audio and deleting the whole thing. But I think once you've spoken it, it's like you get onto like a, a rhythm and like, then you like start to like speak from that.
Right. And so like, if you went on to a tangent, then it like goes on to like something else. And like, And you're like, oh, why did, like, that wasn't in my notes. And so I used to be very self conscious. I used to be very judgmental too. Like I used to think, oh, what are people going to think about if I say this?
Or what are people going to think if I say that? And especially because my podcast is more based on, like, topics like That a lot of people don't really talk about. I was very uncomfortable. Like, it was the first time I was speaking these topics into public for my own self. Like, I never really talked about these things before this.
And so that also made me very judgmental and self conscious in recording the podcast. And then like, I would record it and then I would release it. And I was like, okay, I'm going to release this podcast. So it took me some time to gain that confidence. So you're really living what you're coaching at this point with talking about how to be so led and kind of get out of your head with that.
So you are definitely a walking Testament to everything that you're teaching. Yep. I am. I think, I think that's a big, the big part of my brand, my coaching brand as well, like, I feel like I was led to be a coach because of everything that I've been through in my life to share with other people. And from the point that I became a coach now, like, it's not like, you know, I became a coach and I was like, perfect, like life still goes on.
I'm still learning things. And I feel like that's, that's part of my coaching brand. Like, that's what I do. I kind of share my story to share, um, how I went through it, like the tools that have helped and what hasn't helped. And, you know, just kind of like, be very like honest and. And raw, because I feel like that's like missing in this world.
Like you don't always get the 100 percent truth where people aren't like 100 percent transparent about things, about how things aren't perfect, even if you're spiritual or mindful or you have, you practice meditation all the time. Like there's a lot of things that happen in life and like, it's a process.
And so, That's so true. I, I see like that toxic positivity a lot where it's just that phony like everything's always great and like sometimes it's not like we're both podcasters here to talk about podcasting and we had like 20 minutes of technical glitches. Yes. So I feel like having that vulnerability is so important and that is such a strong brand for you.
You mentioned a lot about the nerves and the lack of knowledge of what it looked like to start a podcast that was a barrier to you. So how did you finally get brave enough to take that plunge and start your show, even though you felt like maybe you didn't have all the tools that you needed? Yeah, so before I started it, um, like I mentioned, like, I thought it was this, like, really complicated thing and I didn't know, like, an average person like me could just start a podcast, like, I thought that there was, like, some sort of review process, kind of like, you know, when you're publishing a book, though now I'm also learning publishing a book, if you self publish it, it's not that complicated, so it might be a bad example, but I'm going to go with that example for now.
Um, if you were to publish a book through an editor and, like, go through that whole process, like, it takes some time, and so I thought the same thing about podcasts, like, I thought, like, all these podcasts that are on Apple or Spotify, they are probably, like, there's people that are, like, promoting this and putting it out, um, and I, at that time, had just started off, so, like, I, Barely had a following on, on social media or like, or anywhere really, because it was just six months into my business.
And so I was actually at that time I was in a mastermind. It was a business mastermind. And, um, our coach was like, she had a podcast. And so she was showing us how she started off her podcast and how she does it. And she showed, um, the anchor FM platform and like, you know, like you can record on here and then you just, you just like post it.
And like, she showed off all the things like it took, like. Maybe 20 minutes to set up in the beginning and then recording the episodes and then editing, editing them maybe took another like half an hour or something. And so I was like, all right, this seems pretty easy. So I bought a microphone and I started recording, created my profile on anchor, created like the art from Canva.
For my, um, podcast cover, and then I just started and, um, I think it was a lot easier than I had thought, but I would have never gotten to that point if I was never shown, like, the tools to get there. I definitely agree with that. I think it, like, having kind of that entry point is so important. I am super curious, though, what was your first mic?
Um, I still have it. It's a Yeti, Yeti Nano. Ooh, you're in the Yeti cult. I love it. There are like such staunch opinions in either direction on that. They're either like, I hate the Yeti or I love the Yeti. So I'm always like, Ooh, which side are you on? I mean, it's the first one I got. Um, I did some research and it seemed like a good, good, um, like for me.
And so I've had it since, since I started. Well, you sound great. So it's clearly working for you. So after you got over that initial hurdle, what do you feel like has been your biggest challenge? Now that you're like two years into it, what are the challenges that you're still facing as a podcaster? Do you think?
I think for me now, it's more so about really just, I want to say like content, but I'll explain it in a little bit more. It's like, you know, once you start to podcast, you have a lot of topics and like, you know, maybe you kind of use those topics and like expand on them or whatever, but like kind of just going through that creative process of creating like what the topics are going to be like getting guests on your show.
Um, when I initially started, I didn't have any guests. So like my first. Season or whatever you want to call it. I didn't have any guests, I don't think. And then I started to be like, okay, maybe I'll have a few guests. And I started to like research how to do that. And like, initially it was just like other coaches that I knew.
And now I'm actually expanding out where I'm actually, you know, inviting other people on the show that I don't know. to come on the show and to, you know, kind of share their experience in terms of spirituality or whatever has been going on in their life. So it can be an inspiration to others. So I think now it's more so of like, how do I continue to put out great content that people want to listen to and getting that like following of people like continuing to listen to my episodes.
That makes a lot of sense. And that's a really big jump to go from like, you know, people in that mastermind. I know one of the episodes that I listened to Was I think Jordi was her name and it was someone who you talked about meeting in your mastermind. So to go from like people that you know already to sourcing people that you don't know, that's a huge leap.
Yeah, it is. And it's, I want to say it's, it's a little bit uncomfortable of a leap because you don't really know, like previous guests that I have, I knew them, like, you know, I vibe with them. I knew we're on the same like wavelength, like mindset was same. So I knew like when we would talk about something, Kind of where that episode was going in terms of, you know, what was going to be shared.
But now it's like, I don't really get an opportunity to meet the person too much in advance. And so though I do screen them and I kind of ask them questions of like, what do they want to share and kind of get to know them a little bit through questions like I've never met them. And so it can be a little bit scary, but at the same time, it can be equally exciting because it's like, you're getting a new perspective on the show.
You're getting. You know, somebody that you've never met share their story, and I think that brings a lot more inspiration, in my opinion, to the people that are listening, because you're not getting the same sort of dialogue over and over again in the episode, which can kind of get boring. Yeah, 100%. And, you know, it's probably like more engaging for you as well, because when it is someone that you know, you, like you said, you kind of know how the conversation is going to go.
So I'm sure it's, it's more refreshing for you to have these people that you haven't met yet. Yeah. Yes, it is. It is. And I think, like, to be honest, as I'm getting to meet more people, it's like also expanding my own, um, world and it's like expanding my own, um, thoughts about spirituality and like other things I want to explore, right?
Because I, I believe this from my core. It's like, we're always going to be learning as long as we're alive. And the idea is to learn as much as you can and keep evolving. Right. And so like the way you evolve and grow is like, you learn more and you hear more from other people and you bring in more perspectives and you try to figure out if that's something that you want to, uh, research more or dive more into.
And so I feel like when I used to have my guests, I was very limited and now it's like, I'm starting to become like. The fish in the ocean, I'm like swimming around. I'm like, Oh, I'm discovering new things. And it's pretty cool. That's such a good feeling. Do you feel like having that network broaden, or maybe something else has impacted your business with your podcast?
Yes, so definitely. I definitely feel like meeting new people, having new people on the show. I'm just connecting with them. I mean, like, just that connection, that networking, it helps because it's you're helping each other, right? Especially if it's a person that comes onto your show. that also has a business or also has, you know, a pool of people that might be interested in your services.
So it definitely has helped to like gain more following, um, for me in the last year or so that I've started to have guests on my show. That's awesome. In listening to your podcast, I've seen, or I guess I've heard you talking about being a South Asian woman. Do you feel like as a South Asian woman, you see yourself reflected in podcasts?
Um, I feel like I do because I listen to those podcasts. However, if I was to listen to like more mainstream podcasts, especially mainstream podcasts that are within the topics of like spirituality and mindfulness, maybe not. I feel like they're a little bit more generic and probably because they're speaking to a whole collective, right?
And so I guess because I listen to a lot of other South Asian podcasters, they talk about, you know, the community and all of that stuff. But if I was to listen to like somebody else, like I don't necessarily know if They're able to speak to, um, a South Asian the same way or any immigrant, to be honest, like, because the information is so generic.
It's so like broad. No, absolutely. And I know that that's something that we see a lot in wellness is kind of this whitewashing, especially like, I kind of could go on the tangent where, you know, yoga, which is supposed to be such a deeply spiritual practice is now more about like showing up in your Lululemons.
Right. So I completely agree with not seeing that reflected in the wellness community, especially within podcasts. I feel like that is something that is very much, if we're talking about generic podcasting, it's very much that privileged mindset of, you know, this is how you do it perfectly and the aesthetic of it, as opposed to really being authentic in it, which I feel like is more of what I was seeing on your show.
So when I first started the podcast, I didn't really talk too much about, you know, or I should say I didn't talk too much to the South Asian community. I think I was talking more generic and then I started to dive in more and I started to realize like, Especially within the South Asian community of, of youths and like younger folks, those that are within their twenties and thirties, there, there's this huge, like, of, like, understanding what's like, how to manage your stress and like, what are things that you do?
And I feel like as South Asians, we grow up with so much pressure and expectations from our parents and our families. That by the time you get into like adulthood or young adulthood, you're already in this loop of like burning yourself out constantly because you have this expectation of yourself to be perfect.
And I feel like I started to really dive into like, I mean, I was that person. And so I really started to dive into those topics and meeting more people of South Asian descent that could talk about their struggles and their stories to share with others. Because the other thing about the South Asian community is I feel like we don't really share these things.
Like we kind of. We kind of keep them under the carpet because we don't want anybody to know, like, what's going on. We're so, like, self conscious of, like, people judging us for, like, our flaws, um, and everybody just has to feel like we're perfect, which, you know, could be in a lot of cultures, but it's there and within the South Asian culture, so.
I wanted to kind of show like, no, these problems do exist and people are struggling with it and if we don't talk about it, they're not going to have a way, they're not going to have the tools to like get through it. Right. And so something I shared recently was my fertility journey. And like, I had a really hard time finding people or finding a support group that could help me go through like what I was feeling.
Pretty much because I wasn't, I was never comfortable to talk about it because at a young age, like, we were, you know, always told, like, you don't talk about sex and you don't, like, talk about, like, you know, if you're having problems with, like, having kids, like, you don't talk about these things, like, you keep it to yourself and you figure it out with your doctor, but, like, I needed to talk about it to figure out what to do.
So, um. Through that, I started to figure out, like, there's so many other women that probably have other stories that they're probably keeping close to their chest that they want to share so they could help out others. And so my last season was all about that. Just stories of women, what they've been through, um, that are from South Asian descent and how they've found help and how, you know, You know, they could, they gave tips to others that have been going through the same thing.
I think that's really powerful and I heard your episode about your fertility journey and you got, you spilled some tea, you got really real on that one. Have you faced any backlash from your family or other people that are in your community because of how vulnerable you're getting on your show? Because I know that that's something that I talk to a lot of my clients about.
Is that they're scared that, especially if they come from a background that has a little bit more of that cloistered, we don't talk about this, that they're more afraid that they're going to get that bad feedback from family, loved ones, or just people in their community at large. Yeah, um, I haven't. I mean, there are like random people that'll reach out to me and, you know, maybe, Maybe say one or two things, but I don't really pay attention.
But like, I've actually got the opposite. Like I actually have a lot of people that reach out and they share how inspirational my story was, or I think my dad listened to my episode. And so he reached out to me and he was like, you're doing such great work. I'm so proud of you. Like. I always thought the same that I couldn't share these things and like, especially with, you know, family, knowing that I have the podcast and like, you know, my YouTube channel and things like that.
What are they going to think? But I feel like because I don't, and this could be like more of my spiritual side because I feel like I'm sharing from my heart, I feel like the intention is different. And I feel like that intention comes out in the podcast episode, which then it like gets communicated to whoever's listening to it.
So I haven't had. Any backlash. Okay, so me and Irvie are gonna hang out for a minute while you go and replay that as many times as you need to finally get brave and realize that it's okay to say the scary things in a public forum. Yeah, it is. Yeah. So I used to feel the same way and I think the way I think about it now, if it's helpful for those that are listening that might be scared, is like your voice is your power.
And only you have your voice, like it's very unique, like nobody else can share your voice or your story and that power that you hold is meant to be shared with other people so that we can make your community, your collective, your people feel empowered as well, whatever your show is about. And so not until you do that, are you going to feel, are you going to see that, that pull from your community coming towards you?
Like, I feel like for me, it's more so of like, if I hold back that I'm actually holding back my community, my, my people that are listening to me and I'm not giving them what they can actually have to move forward for them to grow, for them to, you know, break out of whatever they're trying to break out of.
And so that's kind of like a disservice in a way. Now I just kind of say whatever I want to say. without thinking too much about it. And, um, I purposely don't edit my episodes. Now I keep them pretty raw because I know if I edit it, I'll probably cut out those parts. We just got like the, the promotional soundbite for this episode.
That was very impactful. So that does, that makes me curious to pivot a little bit from the content side to the technical side. You said you don't really edit. What does your process look like? Um, so the last season I did was just recordings between me and, you know, they're really interviews of other South Asian women.
And so I, I would edit certain parts where obviously there was like too much of a break or, you know, if I thought that it was a little bit awkward. Most likely, like, I'll just, I'll, when I'm recording it, I have it on, usually we'll get onto Zoom, I'll get the audio, I'll put the audio within Anchor FM, I'll put my, you know, outro and intros, and then I'll save it as a draft, and I'll, you know, schedule it for a day, and that's it, like, I don't edit, I don't edit it, because I feel like people have to hear the rawness of what's coming through.
And sometimes it might be uncomfortable, like when you're talking through it, but like when you're listening to it, it's actually very impactful. And I learned that from myself. I used to listen to my own episodes to kind of teach myself what I was saying. And I realized that the episodes that I would, I would be very raw and I didn't edit them were the episodes that I really felt it in my soul.
And so I started to then go to this place of like, I'm not going to edit these episodes. Like if. If I knew the episode, like the episode we're recording right now, it's pretty good. We're not, there's not that much pause in between or any awkwardness. So I would just publish it the way it is. I love that.
That's super refreshing because I feel like, especially when you're starting out that fear of having to be perfect, that sense of perfectionism can stop people. So to have like someone's permission to not edit. That's pretty powerful stuff right there. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Yeah. And if I'm, I mean, if I'm publishing something where I have a guest, I always ask them, like, is there anything that you want me to edit out?
Or is there, are you okay with me just publishing it the way it was? Um, so I always get their consent before. But if it's just me recording my story, I usually don't go back and edit anything. I just publish it the way it is. I think that that's huge. I really believe in ethical podcasting where, you know, especially when you're having some of these really vulnerable conversations, just making sure that everyone feels good at the end of the episode is huge.
Yeah. And some of the podcast episodes we had in the last season, you know, there were some women that talked about like domestic violence and some really like. traumatic events in their life. And so, you know, for their own safety, there were a few things that we kind of edited out, you know, obviously for their own safety, that was, that was taken out.
But I mean, I always checked in with them, even after I record the episode, I send them the recording so they can listen to it again, one more time before I publish it, just so if they're like, okay, no, like, I don't want this to go live. It's their consent. It's their story. If they don't want to go live, I won't publish it.
That's awesome. I think that that's a really tactful way to handle that. So as we're wrapping up, my last few questions for you are what is your favorite episode of your podcast? Like if, if someone is about to start listening from hearing you talking here, where do you recommend that they start out? So I did an episode Um, in the beginning, I think it's my first or second episode.
I think it's a first and second, um, on fear. It was part one, fear, part two, fear. And I just love those two episodes because I talk about my own experience with fear and how I was in a place of like, really deep, anxiety because of the fears, like the fears just consumed my life and um, how I overcame them.
But like I talk about fear in a different way and I feel like those two episodes are really impactful. I still love them. Like I listen to them and I feel so proud of myself for actually recording it and sharing stories of like how it was bullied when I was a child and like, you know, other stories that I share about my life.
So I would say those two episodes are my favorite. That sounds really full circle from like the fears that you were talking about with starting your podcast. So for the people out there who are like, kind of wanting to start a podcast, but still in that fear area to give that part of your podcast to listen.
And then what advice do you have for other people who are wanting to start a podcast, particularly people in the South Asian community? Um, I would say just do it. Like that's the only advice I have. Like, just don't think about it. And if you have a passion to, you know, put your voice out there and record a podcast, just start doing it.
Like all of the other things I kind of feel like Are, um, excuses for you to not get started in terms of like, and I made them terms of like, Oh, I don't have the technology to do it. Or I'm not like, I'm not tech tech savvy or like, I don't know how to like edit. And all these things are like, kind of ways that we stop ourselves from actually doing something.
So I would say, like, don't think about it so much, just record one episode and put it out there and see how you feel. I can tell you from my experience, like when I record a podcast, Like the feeling I have afterwards is like so invigorating. It's like, I feel like I'm full of life. Like I, like, it's like something just lights up within me.
And I feel like if you have that passion for something, it's a disservice to yourself, like to not move forward with that passion. Like you should go ahead and move forward with it because that's what life is about. I completely and totally agree. I mean, that's the whole point of this podcast is to help people understand that it's okay for them to take up their space, you know, this, Industry is so underrepresented for women, for non binary people, that I'm so passionate about helping us claim that space.
And so, yeah, I completely agree with you that just doing it is really the most important first step that you could take. Yeah, and I also find like when you make the decision to do something and then you actually do it. It's a lot less it's a lot less scary than when you are just sitting there in your thoughts and Stopping yourself from doing it because your thoughts are just so much bigger than the actual action And so when you actually do it and you realize like, oh, this wasn't a big deal Like it just builds confidence over time.
Like it was the same for me when I When I showed up on social media, like when Instagram had like stories and lives and like now reels, like. I was really afraid to record myself or like to, you know, put out reels about like my face and like talk and all that kind of stuff. But it's like the more you do it, the more you gain confidence, the more you gain momentum and the more you start to like actually like it.
And you start to figure out like what you like and what you don't like. And there's no, there's no force here. Like you don't have to do things that you don't like. You can just do the things that you like, but you have to start first. So. I definitely agree. And so I feel like having those anxieties that you're talking about is really resonant with the things that you're not doing.
If you're scared about. Oh, you know, what if, what if this bad thing happens? Or what if I'm not tech savvy enough? You're not proving to yourself that you can do it because you're just sitting there thinking about this worst case scenario that when you're actually in it, like you said, you know, you, you get done recording an episode and you feel so energized and so full of life.
Whereas before, when you were just sitting on your couch, like, Oh, should I do a podcast or should I not? And you're scared. You're like, Oh, what if it's horrible? What if I'm not good enough? You're denying yourself that feeling of being so invigorated. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I think that that goes with anything in life, but specifically, we're talking about podcasting.
It's, it is a lot scarier than, than it seems. And I feel like when you just record yourself and then you listen to it, it's actually not that bad. Like it's not as bad as what you're making it to be. Our fears kind of highlight the worst of the situation because they're trying to protect us. And I talk about this in the first two episodes, but it's a matter of you kind of understanding that that's what fear is trying to do, but like the fear is not in control of you.
You're in control of the fear. So you get to decide what you want to do next. I totally agree. I totally agree. So we'll leave it on that. How can people find you? Um, so I am on Instagram. I handle it's inner serenity LC, and then I have a website, which is www. innerserendylifecoaching. com. Oh, and my podcast, my podcast, my podcast is, wow, I can't believe I missed that.
Um, my podcast is Soul Diaries Discover Your Inner Serenity, and it's on all the major platforms. Right on. Yeah, no, I was like, Okay, I'm assuming that she just knows that I've already shouted it out in the intro. Thank you for circling back to the most important one. Yep. No worries. All right. Well, thank you so much for joining me.
This was a wonderful conversation. And I feel like everyone's gonna have a nugget to take away. about how to be more fearless and just kind of jump in. Absolutely. Thank you, Rue, for having me on the show. And thank you everyone for listening. I'll be back next week to talk about how podcasting is a free trial.
This is mostly going to be geared towards my funnel shows, but I promise anyone is going to be able to take away a little nugget, especially if you have plans to monetize your show. In the meantime, if this episode was helpful, please share it with someone who needs to hear it and follow me on Spotify or wherever you're listening.
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Thank you so much for listening and helping me take podcasting up an octave.
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